Thursday, February 9, 2012

California Rules on Same Sex Marriage


Hours after winning a landmark case in a California federal appeals court that struck down the state’s ban on gay marriage, lawyer Theodore B. Olson, who had filed a lawsuit against the ban known as Proposition 8, talked about the odds of the Supreme Court taking up the case.

“This issue will go to the Supreme Court, I think it will go to the Supreme Court in this case, ” he told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow.

But because the decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit was so specific to California’s unique history with same-sex marriage, some legal analysts believe the justices might pass on the case. Or if the court took it up, it would rule narrowly on Proposition 8 –saving the broader question of whether gays and lesbians have a right to marry for another day.

And that would be just fine for some advocates of gay marriage.

“If by some chance the Supreme Court decided today that same-sex couples had a right to marry, I could see an enormous outcry and a push for a federal constitutional amendment that would ban it. Even if it lost, that would be a nightmare.” E. J. Graff writes in The American Prospect.

Before the challenge to Prop 8 was brought to federal court by the American Foundation for Equal Rights and its lead lawyers, Olson and David Boies, other longtime same-sex marriage litigators focused more on challenging laws that prohibit gay marriage at the state level.

“When Olson and Boies brought this, there was a fear by some members of the gay rights community that you could get an adverse ruling in federal court that would slow political momentum and shut legal doors, ” says Jane Schacter, a professor at Stanford Law School.

The preferred strategy was to go state by state, picking the states very carefully and working to legalize gay marriage at the state level.

“The Supreme Court rarely gets out that far in front of public opinion, and the court is wary of rulings that are likely to provoke a lot of backlash and opposition,” says Schacter. “The strategy by some advocates is to get more and more states to legalize gay marriage, and then go to the Supreme Court.”

While advocates were happy with the federal appeals court ruling, they are not all pressing for a sweeping ruling from the Supreme Court on the issue.

Currently, only six states and the District of Columbia allow same-sex marriages, while other states are moving in that direction.

“The outlook is very positive. The citizens of Maine may get an opportunity to return to the ballot on marriage. The legislature in Washington appears poised to enact marriage equality. The legislature in New Jersey is now considering a marriage equality bill. A marriage equality bill has just been introduced in Illinois where the legislature recently enacted civil unions, ” says Tobias Barrington Wolff, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania Law School who also advised the Obama campaign on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues during the 2008 campaign.

It’s a carefully crafted Supreme Court strategy by advocates hoping to build momentum on the issue.

“Every successful civil rights movement has involved careful choices over time about what cases are likely to move the law in a positive direction, and which cases are likely to produce good outcomes. That was true of the civil rights movement for African-Americans, it was true for the women’s rights movement and it has been true of the LGBT movement, ” says Wolff.

He says there are tactical decisions made because the Supreme Court does not like to speak on an issue prematurely.

“It is helpful to the justices to benefit from the work of other judges in other courts exploring and analyzing an issue over time before they weigh in with a ruling that can define or change the law for everybody.”

The challenge to Prop 8 is not the only high-profile gay rights case playing out in federal court. Challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, which does not recognize gay marriage, have also been brought to the lower courts. Those cases do not present the question of whether gay couples have the right to marry, because the plaintiffs are married in states that allow gay marriage. Instead, the cases challenge DOMA, which denies federal recognition of same-sex marriage.

15 comments:

LibbyMargrave2 said...

When it comes to big issues like this, everyone has an opinion. Whether it's for or against, everyone has a right to be heard. I think that if states want same-sex marriage to be legal, go ahead. They just have to realize all of the extra measures and steps they will have to take to keep it. If they want to take that big of a step and take a risk to be heard, they can't be surprised that they will be bashed and shut up. I do not agree with it, but I respect people who stand up for their beliefs.

JessicaCasarez6 said...

I would think eventually the majority of the states (if it remains a federal decision) will end up having marriage equality rights in the future due to the fact that the number of L, G, B T's are growing every day. I would assume it should just be up to the federal courts to make the decision on marriage equality since 6 states and The District of Columbia have approved the rights already and multiple other states are moving in the same general direction. The Gay Rights movement is growing rapidly in major cities and states with the campaigns, advertisements, and Gay Pride Parades held during the summer, my opinion is whoever's against it is fighting a losing battle.

graceyweaver2 said...

Schacter is right in saying that States must be the first in line to recognize gay marriage, and after that, it's the Senate's duty to do the same thing. The movement of gay rights in America is just like the issue of women's rights and civil rights, and I believe that in a decade or two, gay marriage will be nationally recognized in all states. It's just unfortunate that gay marriage must be labeled as "gay" marriage, it should just be labeled as marriage. Cause, ya know, I parked my car today, but I didn't gay park it. And I had a sandwich today, but I didn't have a gay sandwich.

AmberCastillo1 said...

I don't agree with passing a law for same sex marriages, first of its unholy! I do believe if goes to supreme court their case will win because it is a civil rights case, in America we have the belief that every one is I entitilted to there own rights which can't be violated. By not allowing them to marry we are violating their given rights. However I still feel that we should not push for this law and I strongly disagree but that's another story on my part.

priyankashome6 said...

I think that this issue should go to the Supreme Court, even if they save the broader question of whether gays and lesbians have a right to marry for another day. But before things like DOMA and Proposition 8 are ruled against, same sex marriage litigators must fight laws like these at the state level. I think that people are doing the right thing: fighting for same sex marriages state by state and slowly but surely gaining supporters and creating a civil rights movement. But what's even more important than allowing same sex marriage is federal recognition of these marriages and that is something we must work towards.

Anonymous said...

The fact that gay marriage is now legal in California is huge. However, I don't think that it would be the right time for the subject to go to the Supreme Court. I think they need more states backing up the movement to make it work.

MirandaMartell1 said...

Im happy for them. I have nothing against same gender marriage. Its your life and if its going to make you happy then so be it. It in no way shape or form Interfer's with my personal life so i think that anybody has the right to be with who they wanna be with. Im straight and im perfectly fine with gays and lesbians bisexuals transgenders and whatever else is out there. What im not fine with is us straight people being so hateful to others who are just like us,the only thing thats different is who they wanna be with. There are killers out there and were more worried about a guy wanting to be HAPPY with a guy?!? Really?!? It really is the dumbest thing iv ever heard. Its there life,not ours. I hope one day same sex marriage will be allowed everywhere! Nobody should have the right to tell anybody who they should or shouldnt love. We were all born with a thing called FREEDOM,remember that america? And i believe you have the FREEDOM to love whoever you want to love :) So i say we get over gays and lesbians and let them live there lives and how about we focus on oh i dont know stopping killers,or the guy thats a registered sex offender? :)

JosephXin6 said...

First of all, honestly I believe the whole big hassle over same sex marriage is ridiculous. It's not like if a bill passes that allows same sex marriage, everyone will be forced to marry someone else of the same sex. I don't see why people make a big fuss over nonsense like this. America is said to be "the land of the free", but what's freedom if you can't even marry the person you love? I am glad to hear that the fight for same sex marriage is progressing forward, and more and more states are considering bills that continue to move this act forward. I also think that the idea to congregate many states into making and passing a bill that allows same sex marriage, and then bringing a case up to the supreme court will greatly help the cause.

Danielle Gonzales- 6th period said...

I don't see what the big deal about gay marriage is. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but they don't have the right to tell other people how to live their lives, it's their choice and that is basically what the government is doing; telling people how to live their lives. Straight people wouldn't like it if there was a ban on straight marriage, it would be elogical, which goes the exact same for gay marriage. Yes, there are religions that are against it and say it is a "sin" but aren't religions a choice? Don't they say to not judge others? Don't people have rights? Who are we to tell people what is right and wrong and what they can and can't do? What makes straight people any better than gays? It's obvious the answer is nothing and no one. In essence, people are in charge of their own lives, not the government, not a religion, and definately not other people. Therefore, there simply shouldn't be a law banning gay marriage because being gay is a personal choice.

CatWiechmann6 said...

I don't see what the big deal is about same sex marriage. Marriage is marriage no matter what the sex of your partner is. Girls used to get married at 13 to men that were twice their age. Now I think that is more discusting and wrong than gay marriage! I believe that people should be able to love and marry any person that they want regardless of their sex.

TaniaNevarez1st said...

I have nothing against same sex marriage but passing this law is going to cause a lot of problems. I think people should be allowed to show there feelings for each other even if there the same sex, but i also think they should be respectful about it. Same sex people should have the right to marry and be happy just like any other human being.

Rose-Marie Lopez 1 said...

I feel that same sex marriages should be allowed. Although it is different from what some people believe, humans just don't choose what they are attracted to. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That's what we are all entitled to. While that may be against certain religious beliefs and it may be frowned upon, oppressing it isn't the answer! Making the marriages illegal won't make them love each other any less and it won't change the fact that there are lesbians, gays, transgenders, and bisexuals in this world. If it goes against your belief or your morals, realize that the higher power to believe in will judge us for being what we are, gay and proud. There is nothing wrong with it, and I think the overturning of proposition 8 is just the beginning.

karishmadaji2 said...

Im not against the same-sex marriage, I feel like gay marriages have the right to marry. In the state of California The American Foundation of Equal Rights and its lead lawyers, Olson and David Boies, other longtime same-sex marriage litigators focused more on challenging laws that prohibit gay marriage at the state level.

ChristopherBryand1 said...

I think it does not really matter if you get married straight or gay. I think all states should approve it because marriage is all the same. When  you get married, you do it because you really like this person and want to spend you life with this person. It is kind of like some people in the world, when a father gets to choose who gets to marry his daughter. The father represents the government and the daughter represents the people. I think people should choose who they want to marry. If America is a free country why can't people choose who they want to marry. I approve all marriages because I think people can make there own decisions on what they want to do in there own life.

Kenia Nevarez 1st Period said...

A lot of people and religion's think that gay marriage is bad but in my opinion its not. If you love someone and they love you back why shouldn't you be able to be happy with them. It's another thing if you are being disrespectful to the rest of the people and are doing disrespectful things in front of them and their family's. But ether way I think everyone should have a chance to be happy, and who are we to take someone's happiness away?