Tuesday, November 17, 2009

Abortion Debate in Healthcare Bill


The US Senate could start debating its final healthcare reform bill as early as Tuesday, pitting Democrat against Democrat over the controversial question of abortion coverage.


The debate puts Barack Obama, who campaigned as pro-choice, in the middle of one of the most emotional and enduring debates in US politics, potentially forcing him to take sides on an issue he has tried to avoid since becoming president.


The House of Representatives this month passed a healthcare reform bill that would sharply curtail access to abortion. Several Democrats in the Senate have said they want similar restrictions in their own bill.


Harry Reid, the Democratic leader in the upper chamber, is “still consulting with members of his caucus” on the abortion issue, one aide said, and it is not yet clear whether he will include the restrictions.


“This is a horrible dilemma,” said Larry Sabato, a political science professor at the University of Virginia. “The Democrats have to pass something – they have no choice,” he said, adding that they have backed themselves into a corner by making healthcare reform a priority.


The House passed a bill including the “Stupak-Pitts” amendment, which not only prevents abortion coverage in the public health insurance option but also prohibits private health insurers that have any customers receiving federal subsidies from offering abortion coverage to anyone else.


This is sharply more restrictive than even the 1976 Hyde amendment, which banned the use of federal funds to pay for terminations, and pro-choice activists say it amounts to a de facto ban on abortion.


“It would be a great irony if we worked so hard to elect a pro-choice president and this law passed on his watch,” said Terry O’Neill, president of the National Organisation for Women, one of the pro-choice leaders who met Rahm Emmanuel, the president’s chief of staff, this week to lobby against such measures.


“This would basically sweep aside Roe v Wade. Women are calling us and they are furious,” Ms O’Neill said, referring to the 1973 Supreme Court decision legalising first- trimester abortions.
Kirsten Gillibrand, New York senator, gathered prominent pro-choice advocates, including feminist Gloria Steinem, on Monday to protest what she called a “discriminatory and dangerous anti-choice provision”, one that would “prevent women from purchasing reproductive insurance with their own money and put the health of millions of women and young girls at grave risk”.


Mr Obama has tried to avoid talking about abortion since taking office, instead stressing the need to reduce unwanted pregnancies, but is now being drawn into the debate.


“This is a healthcare bill, not an abortion bill,” Mr Obama told ABC News last week. “We’re not looking to change what is the principle that has been in place for a very long time, which is federal dollars are not used to subsidise abortions.”


Mr Reid, who is facing a tough re-election campaign in Nevada next year, will have a difficult balancing act as Democrats occupy 60 seats in the Senate – the exact number needed to pass a bill.


Both camps are saying they have the upper hand. Barbara Boxer, a California liberal, last week said that supporters of stronger restrictions on abortion funding would not be able to muster 60 votes. “It is a much more pro-choice Senate than it has been in a long time,” she told the Huffington Post.


But Ben Nelson, a moderate from Nebraska, said he would not vote for healthcare reform unless it included the abortion provisions and a handful of other “blue dog Democrats” have signalled the same.


“I think it’s extremely likely that they can get this through the Senate, with the leadership of Ben Nelson,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List, a group that seeks to elect female candidates who oppose abortion.


But can Mr Obama put his signature on a bill – the Senate and House leaders plan to have one on his desk by the end of the year – that would go against the principles he has long espoused?


“He has staked so much of his future on this healthcare bill,” said Bill Galston, a former Clinton administration adviser now at the Brookings Institution. “If it comes to his desk [with a Stupak-style clause], the president is not going to veto it for that reason. He will then have to start the task of public explanations.”

31 comments:

Todrick_Gibbs_1st said...

President knew that this was an issues coming into office, as well as anyone else did. I believe there is some sort of decision that has to be made sooner or later. Especially if they expect to have the bill on his desk by the end of the year. This is a very big issue, seeing as he did make health care one of his biggest priorities during the election, so i very well do believe what ever choice he makes will be for the better.

Samantha Martinez 4th period said...

This is a tough decision for ecveryone to make. Seeing both sides of a story may make things difficult on what to decide. The government should not pay for an unwanted baby,true. What about a baby who may be born unhealthy or may not have a chance at life? Should we just let the innocent baby suffer because the Healthcare Bill refuses to pay for an abortion. The door swings both ways in this situation for me.

Molly He said...

This is not a issue of reform, but of morals. The question has been asked and re-asked for years now, and it won't go away any time soon. Cornering the the legislators now can not and will not be the end of this discussion. The abortion aspect should be left out of the health care reform because this bill is intended to make progress (how ever much progress it will actually have is up for grabs) and the issue of abortion will hinder this process.

Amy said...

I am pro-life, so I really don't like the idea of my tax dollars being spent to pay to kill unborn children. I strongly disagree. I think that women may take more advantage of these abortions if they are provided to them through a universal healthcare system. The pro-choice activists are angry because they say that the plan without abortions violates their rights. However they will still be allowed to get abortions, they'll just have to pay for the insurance themselves, which they do now... I think the healthcare plan should be modified, do as not to include abortions.

Carlos Rangel 4th Period said...

Wow, well this abortion debate is and will always be one of those hot topics. Its tough to decide because if Obama doesnt sign it, to the peoples eyes, he would look like a trynnalical monster but if he signs it then talk about the religous and social issues erupting there. This issue was bound to come into play thought but i strongly believe no matter what this thing will work out.
Take U.S. History, back in the 19the century Slavery was the hottest subject brought up in Congress and it involved a Civil War. But you know what? We got through it. The main message in that is that the U.S. lived through that issue and the countrys well being was reserved. And so you know how they say History tends to repeat itself? Well hopefully that can happen here, except without the Civil War part. But i believe America can withstand the blow about to come. Im sure itll all be okay.

Sarah Lambert 3rd said...

Well it looks like the Democrats have backed themselves into a corner. Mr. Perry, you told us that the bill must be absolutely perfect when a party creates it so that the party doesn't single handedly flush itself down the toilet. Well, electing a pro-choice president doesn't exactly help him much if he is going to pass a bill that is pro-life. So Obama is pretty much giving the democratic party a swirly right now. Obama may want to avoid heated topics such as abortion but when it is a topic that effects the country that you are trying to lead, the best action isn't hiding it in hopes that it might go away. Obama needs to put his big boy panties on and deal with this issue the way it needs to be dealt with. And if he does pass a pro-life healthcare bill he is putting at stake millions of womens health and life. Some girls will get abortions illegally and that could be even worse. An alternate solution is needed and fast.

Scott_Hickle_ThirdPeriod_Beast said...

I think now that Obama holds a Nobel prize, he may feel even more pressure to please the masses by adopting a moderate stance on abortion, whereas before he was a Nobel recipient, he may have felt more freedom to exhibit and act upon his pro-choice tendencies. I personally lean pro-choice, so Obama's internal conflict (he may never admit to it, but I have a hunch he feels like he has something to defend and prove to the committee, even if that means adopting a spineless stance on "the issues") is a disappointment to the previous advance I thought America would make on the issue back when he was elected.

Roman Padilla, 3rd said...

i dont think the health care bill should contain anything that makes abortion cheaper or easier in any way. I dont even think abortion should be legal. To me, abortion is the same thing as killing a stranger. The kid your choosing to not give birth to could have been a very important person if given the chance. You just shouldn't do it, that is what i think. like i said, this bill should not in any way help abortion by making it cheaper or more convenient to anyone. It shouldn't have been legalized in the first place, and i know im a guy, and this isnt as much my issue as it is a women's, but i still care.

Sara H-Sabet 8th said...

The reason this bill was created in the first place was the fact that the health care system is flawed, inefficient, and costly. Abortion has nothing to do with the actual system of healthcare. VERY obviously this is nothing more than a tactic to divert focus on what is truly impacting about the reforms and draw the attention to topic that is so polarizing that it can turn votes away from the bill ( if for nothing other than shear political survival). Out of the thousands of pages of the bill abortion does not even come close to being the main topic. So let’s make the issue about the weight of the bill, and not destroy months of work in the final stages over an issue that has no bearing on whether or not healthcare will be more efficient ( the only reason legislation is needed in the first place).

TrevorChilton3 said...

with all of the drama and division being caused by this helathcare bill, what is the point of adding abortion to the mix? this bill is a vital part of obama's gov't, and the issue of abortion only magnifies the problems in getting this bill passed. after reading this article, i'm confused; every side says they have the upper hand and their ideas are going to win, so what is the real likelihood of abortion passing in this bill, and more important, will this healthcare bill pass with the addition of abortion? overall, abortion shouldnt be included in this bill, no matter what your opinion on the actual issue is.

Anonymous said...

I think that this so called health care bill is a bunch of bull crap. Even Obama says that this is just a health care bill its entiontions are not like a a normal health care bill would be. This is a very controverd statement and abortion is one of the most strongly debated issues between the two parties. The fact that this has happened so early in Obama's presidency will no be good for his status and can possibly hurt his popularity in the next up coming election.

BritniBass3 said...

Even if it is just a health care bill it is still abortion. And abortion causes a lot of debate between people in our country and has a lot of moral dependecnce. You cant just throw a issue like abbortion up and put it in a bill and try to pass it off as nothing more than just a health care bill. This is a big issue and Obama is going to gain more enemeies from this so called bills than a fan club. I work around babies everyday and i see what can be aborted be born and live.

Olivia Thornton 4th Period said...

If a person breaks a leg does public insurance cover him or her? Yes. People make mistakes all the time and whether those mistakes result in a broken bone or an unwanted pregnancy, they should be covered by insurance. I do think there should be limits like insurance will only cover one abortion per female because I'm sure some crazy college chicks would be in a clinic every week like they were giving out free beer. But I do think that abortion should be an option and if you're against it well then don't get one, simple as that, but I think that abortion is sometimes a better option for the mother. And that's that.

Sara H-Sabet 8th said...

The reason this bill was created in the first place was the fact that the health care system is flawed, inefficient, and costly. Abortion has nothing to do with the actual system of healthcare. VERY obviously this is nothing more than a tactic to divert focus on what is truly impacting about the reforms and draw the attention to topic that is so polarizing that it can turn votes away from the bill ( if for nothing other than shear political survival). Out of the thousands of pages of the bill abortion does not even come close to being the main topic. So let’s make the issue about the weight of the bill, and not destroy months of work in the final stages over an issue that has no bearing on whether or not healthcare will be more efficient ( the only reason legislation is needed in the first place).

phyllisgoode3 said...

I personally think the abortion part should be left out of the bill. Health care reform really needs to happen. The abortion issue is hindering it and it can be dealt with later.
However, i don't think its fair to make abortions illegal. Women who get pregant can make their own decisions. And if they want an abortion, that's they're choice. It's not fair for some bill to prohibit their personal decision.
To get the health care bill passed, abortions should be left out of it.

AmBeR-dElGaDo*8th* said...

I think that the bill should not help women have abortions. It's their choice if that's what they want then they should pay with their own money. It would be like our tax money going towards people to get plastic surgery.

Alex Rivas 8th said...

This is such a delicate topic.. I hope I don't offend anyone. Personally I don't like the idea of tax dollars going toward something like abortion. I think other medical issues need to be taken care of before the option of having abortions is put into the new healthcare system. Women and men need to make smart choices to prevent pregnancies- such as using contraceptives. I think it's quite ironic that abortion - which is BAD for a woman's health- might be included in a HEALTHcare plan. Maybe that's just me..

Caroline Henderson 3 said...

Why even add abortion to the bill? Can't the government just save that issue for another bill? A bill that isn't a major part of reform? Abortion is a very touchy subject and it can make or break a vote even though it is just one piece of the puzzle. Abortion is more of a moral issue than a government issue. I personally don't agree with the decision of abortion. I can't see the justification in killing a human being. If a mom doesn't want her baby, she should have used protection the first time instead of waiting for the health care reform to protect her.

Donnie Bryant 8th said...

This issue can go either way. It is a very delicate subject that no key player wants to handle directly but someone has to. Abortion, no matter how anyone feels about it, is a medical procedure and should be treated as such in my opinion. Since it is technically a medical operation it should be covered somewhat be healthcare.

aidanhamman3 said...

Ouch...touchy subject for anyone.
Though i agree with the irony as far as he is pro-choice.
I think the govt. should just leave it at federal dollars cant be used to pay for the abortion. Other then that, leave it alone. Its not anyone persons business except the holder. Sometimes its just not the right time.
I feel sorry for Obama because he kind of dug himself a hole. He wants to avoid it but by saying its a health care issue, which is one of his big focuses, he has to speak now.
But i am sure he knows what he is doing.
The debate will be amazing.

Unknown said...

I think that abortion should be left out of the health care bill for now since it seems that is where the most controversy lies. Something needs to be done by the end of the year and they just need to do whatever it takes to get things done, especially because Mr. President put so much emphasis on this issue and has yet to do anything.

Raleisha Martin 8th said...

Personally I am almost completely against abortion so I don't really care that it's being taken out of the healthcare bill. Although I am against the Healthcare bill, I do hope it succeeds because if it passes it will effect every single person in America. If this fails then Obamna will have alot of angry citizens considering the fact that so many people were against it in the first. I hope in the end if this bill passes that it will be better than our current healthcare system.

Anonymous said...

I think people should be able to do what they want, but I do not think that tax dollars should be used towards those things. Obama just needs to get this over with so everyoe can just move on. If it's a priority to him, then why hasn't he finished it already?

victoriaochoa8 said...

I dont think that the healthcare bill hould pay for abotrions at all.I mean the us aborts over 30,000 unborn childern every year. If the universal healthcare plan includes abortions the number of abortions will sky rocket.I understand that the pro-choice activist will make a huge deal of abortions not being included in the reform because it will violate. their rights but women will still be able to get an abortion but it wont be cheap. I think mainly because this is a moral issue that there is always going to be dissagreements about the whole abortion issue.

Rachel_poole_4period said...

I think this situation brings out how much inexperience Obama has with everything. To me it just looks like he is trying to please everyone and you just can't do that in politics, i mean you can't say you're pro-choice and get elected and then pass a pro-life bill. I mean don't get me wrong, I am extremely pro-life and i think every child deserves a chance, but even so Obama's indecision on things and his wishy washy ways are starting to get on my nerves.

ARamirez8 said...

Abortion, one of the biggest and most agressive discussions ever talked about. i personally believe abortion is murder and wrong, taking the life of an innocent human being is just wrong. so throwing this in with this healthcare bill is sneaky and even more difficult for the president, but also something that everyone knew was going to be brought up. if the chamber leaders do plan on having a bill on his desk by the end of the year is very challenging and makes you wonder what exactly the president is going to do, but even more interesting is what the people will say.

Kellen Hearn 4th said...

I think the government should help in certain cases pertaining to abortion. If there is an unhealthy child who wont have the chance to survive, I think thats where the government should intervene and provide financial asistance to the person in need. As a whole they should evaluate the abortion situation individually and make decisions based on the situation.

NathanSlaughter3 said...

Abortion isn’t the main issue of healthcare but whatever Obama chooses in this heated debated is going to be unpleasing to somebody somewhere. People shouldn’t make this the main point of the health care bill because just as abortion may be wrong and all sometimes people feel like that is what they have to do and it’s their choice not the presidents. So don’t forget that the point of this bill is to make healthcare more efficient and less costly.

Angel Armendariz 10th Period said...

I don't think abortion should be passed through this bill because it would make it cheaper and easier for people to do. I think abortion is wrong, however everyone has there own opinion.

8amarisgarcia said...

this is one of those things that you are kind of torn between, and the president is seriously torn between these two issues and decisions. Regardless of his decision there will still be unhappy peopl, thats just how politics is. But as our president we still have to respect him.

EricClark8th said...

in the end he's pretty much gonna take the side of the people who want abortion because it pretty much keeps the u.s. in having some sort of privacy in their life...if he says he doesnt want abortion then he obviously wouldnt be voted back into presidency...he wants whats best for us and therefore he will choose abortion is legal no matter the situation without limits on who gets to kill their children