Monday, November 23, 2009

Dems Split Over Healthcare Bill


President Barack Obama’s mission to reform US healthcare vaulted another legislative hurdle over the weekend, but the scramble to secure his own party’s votes sheds light on the messy compromises that may be needed to get it to the finish line.

Fissures between liberal and centrist Democrats cracked open on Sunday in the aftermath of a procedural vote, which paved the way for the estimated $848bn (€570bn, £514bn) draft Senate bill to be debated on the floor. Leaders hope there will be a vote on the bill by Christmas. If passed, the House and Senate versions will have to be mashed together.
Ben Nelson: 'When I saw the bill I said: 'This can be amended''

If this weekend is anything to go by, it will not be a pretty process. All Democrats and Democrat-leaning independents voted to push the bill forward – creating a filibuster-proof majority of 60 – but some of those votes came far from quietly. A group of centrist Democrats, unhappy about elements of the bill such as a public insurance option, managed to wring concessions from the leadership in return for their acquiescence.

In what wags have already dubbed the “Louisiana Purchase”, Mary Landrieu was offered at least $100m in extra federal money for her state. Ben Nelson won the omission of a provision that would strip health insurers of their anti-trust exemption. Blanche Lincoln won more time.
The group’s disproportionate power in the debate has antagonised some liberal Democrats. “In the end, I don’t want four Democratic senators dictating to the other 56 of us and to the country, when the public option has this much support, that it’s not going to be in it,” said Sherrod Brown of Ohio on Sunday on CNN.

“But in the end, I think that all four of our colleagues surveyed this . . . and I don’t think they want to be on the wrong side of history. I don’t think they want to go back and say, ‘You know, on a procedural vote, I killed the most important bill in my political career’.”

As the debate gets going, the centrists will face increased pressure at home, where they are vulnerable to losing their seats if they are seen to let their colleagues in Washington push them too far to the left. Lobbyists on both sides of the debate are well aware of this, and are blitzing their home states with adverts.

Ms Lincoln claimed that groups had spent $3.3m on advertising in her state of Arkansas. She said she would refuse to yield to either side, but was shocked by the “unbelievable type of threats” she had received.

“These ad groups seem to think this is all about my re-election. I simply think they don’t know me very well,” she said on the Senate floor.

The group, which also includes independent senator Joe Lieberman, all said they wanted more changes made to the bill in the coming weeks.

“When I saw the bill I said, ‘This can be amended, this can be improved’,” Mr Nelson said on Sunday on ABC. He said language on federal funding for abortion, which is softer than that of the House bill, was one problem. He did signal he was willing to compromise on a public option, but said it would have to be much weaker than the current version, which has already been watered down to allow states to opt out.

“We could negotiate a public option of some sort that I might look at, but I don’t want a big government, Washington-run operation that would undermine the . . . private insurance that 200m Americans now have,” he said.

Mr Lieberman, though, was more intransigent.

“[A public option] is a radical departure from the way we’ve responded to the market in America in the past,” he told NBC. “We rely first on competition in our market economy. When the competition fails then what do we do? We regulate or we litigate.”

The weekend’s vote was a victory for Harry Reid, Senate leader, but he acknowledged that it was simply an opening skirmish in a battle that is now set to break into full force. Much of that battle will take place within his own party.

“Tonight’s vote is not the end of the debate,” he said on Saturday night. “It is only the beginning.”

24 comments:

RamonaMittal3 said...

Either way the people vote, some of the citizens are going to be mad. It is not possible to satisfy 100% of the population. There are also many factors that are involved in voting: there are the constituents, morals, and the actual person's belief. I don't think this is an easy process and if this bill does get passed/rejected by the democrats by Christmas, they will be extremely lucky!

Amy said...

This healthcare bill sure is causing problems. I don't think anyone saw that coming.(By the way that was sarcastic.) Yes, the healthcare has gotten everybody mad at somebody. Whether it's the constituents mad at congressmen or the congressmen mad at each other, this bill is causing distress everywhere you look.
The biggest speed bump is the abortion amendment. Morally, conservatives don't agree with it and liberals agree with it politically. I don't think that anyone will be perfectly happy with the result of this bill, whether it passes into law or not.
However the job of the government is to serve and protect the American people. So even if all the American people aren't happy with the final decision, let's hope that it is the best decision for the country as a whole.

David Huang 3 said...

well, there are so many debates on the US healthcare bill, but seriously, i dont see anything has been done and the debate seems going on forever, and the citizens are just waiting, actually waiting for the one bill that seems never will be passed. and i think instead of debating and debating, the government maybe need to put more time into the final decasion than just talking. and do whatever they think is right and also the government spent a lot of money to convince people instead of safe the money into the healthcare while they are saying some of the healthcare is wasting of money , we need an answer.

Kenneth Cravatt 3rd said...

The Democrats need to take advantage of majority while they have it. I understand that they don't want to screw anything up and risk things for the party, but they're not helping things by fumbling around with this health care bill. If action is going to be done then it needs to happen quickly for the democrats because as we've all learned, the Americans are impatient and fickle people who want action immediately.

Anonymous said...

I think that personally that the debate over Obama's health care bill will never end. It covers way to many issues at way to strong a point and there will be many groups separated on many issues of this bill. If this bill is to ever pass than many things will have to be amended and things can not be so loosely put together or have such a strong impact on certain situations in the nations health care.

BritniBass3 said...

This bill causes many controversial issues and will cause debates that can never be ended without someone or groups going against what they believe morally and naturally.I believe that this bill will do nothing to help Americans and the groups voting against the bill are being very wise. I hope that if this bill comes close to being passed it will go through many changes first.

Sarah Lambert 3rd said...

For the democrats this is one of th biggest bills that they may have in their political lives and to scrw this up could cost majorly for the democratic party. However, they have ammended it and changed it so often now that it doesn't necessarily take care of what it set out to do. This makes it difficult for liberal democrats and more lenient democrats to decide which side they take especially with their state playing tug of war with them. This bill is one of the biggest in history and it can't afford to fail...

mariojimenez said...

Hahaha, first of all that picture is halarious, other than that, I dont like this. second, the bill is so bad that the party thats saposed to support it, is split over it, I think that speaks for itself personaly.

"We could negotiate a public option of some sort that I might look at, but I don’t want a big government, Washington-run operation that would undermine the . . . private insurance that 200m Americans now have,” he said."

I thought democrats wanted big government? soo now either they are lieing, or their even more split

Anyways thats my two cents.

mariojimenez said...

Hahaha, first of all that picture is halarious, other than that, I dont like this. second, the bill is so bad that the party thats saposed to support it, is split over it, I think that speaks for itself personaly.

"We could negotiate a public option of some sort that I might look at, but I don’t want a big government, Washington-run operation that would undermine the . . . private insurance that 200m Americans now have,” he said."

I thought democrats wanted big government? soo now either they are lieing, or their even more split

Anyways thats my two cents.

TrevorChilton3 said...

Honestly the Healthcare bill is so confusing that i cant pretend to understand much of it, but two things are very clear to me. first, if so many people have a multitude of problems with it, and not just conservative republicans, isnt there a chance that this bill isnt representing all Americans? and second, if the democrats are having so much trouble getting this passed already, it could be foreshadowing of an epic fail to come soon. i support Obama and want his presidency to be a success, but by staking so much importance on the healthcare bill, he may have doomed himself...

Rebecca*Cox*4 said...

So either this bill will eventually be passed or it won't. It will obviously have problems for both parties, especially abortion. It's one thing to talk and another to do. I really believe that their minds are already made up, they are just doing simple touches or stalling. It's somthing that has pretty much already been passed. It's not going to be perfect and everybody knows that. But this isn't something where everybody gets what they want. It will take long to deal with, but this has been discussed over and over and has pretty much already been chosen.

camdenhoeffner3 said...

This is a big mess. Everbody is trying t please everybdy in the government so that the bill gets through. In the end, the bill is going to be pointless and/or useless. Maybe they should just trash the whole thing and start over. It's going to take them just as long to argue about the bill to where it pleases everybody and it passes. I think they should start from the ground up rather than this jenga game they are trying to play, pulling out pieces, changing them and then trying to shove them back in to where they got them from.

VanessaTorres3rd said...

That is SOME diagram -- pretty accurate in representing how big and complicated in this healthcare bill.

I agree with Nelson that the bill CAN be amended, but I think everyone's going to want to have their own little personal amendment. By the time this is over with, this healthcare bill is going to be one big Christmas Tree (yay vocabulary usage!).

Still, senators and congressmen alike are not going to be happy with this bill. It's a huge deal in the lives of Americans and somone will find something to nitpick at and critize. But because this is such an important bill, I think that the congressmen and senators should cooperate peacefully (if that's even possible) on getting this ordeal over with and moving on to something else that needs attention.

Ronnie Woodard 4th said...

This bill going to the Senate floor is not such a bad thing for the people that are wanting to get this whole health care thing passed in my opinion. I would rather see the bill take more time and be discussed thoroughly and be agreed on than it being put into effect rapidly and there being something that wasnt on the surface wrong with it.

phyllisgoode3 said...

This was always going to be a hard bill to pass. However, it needs to be done. Health care needs to be reformed. And not one persons going to be happy with the whole thing. So everyone needs to comprimise a little. But its also important to listen to the voters back home. If theres a major issue that a senators state isn't okay with then that senator needs to bring up that issue and try to resolve it. Legislators need to keep in mind that not everyones going to be happy though, and that you can't make them all happy. So above the people, they need to be working for the good of the country.

Elizabeth Sewell said...

I believe this is a sad, but true, representation of what really goes on. Just because people are of the same party, that doesn't mean they agree on every issue. This article just discusses the split between democrats, imagine what others are thinking...

Kaitlin_Reynolds_3 said...

Okay.. Well first of all I just want to say I do not agree with this healthcare reform at all! It's ridiculous. And what's funny is they are making the people that they are supposed to make work harder for them, for less money, who would want to work harder knowing that they deserve more. The medical field is a difficult business, and they earn whatever they get money wise. And I would be willing to bet that a few of the men on the senate are really pushing this so their plastic surgery bills will be a little less.. I wish Obama would do something without ruining and area of America that isn't already screwed up..

naomishine3 said...

Rebulicans and Democrats alike are scared of this health-care bill. Because of the magnitude of reform and money this bill carries with it, legislators, understandably, don't want to choose a side too quickly. It is easy to say, 'we can amend this', but it's hard to ask a group of people with very differnt values and opinions to come up with a quick answer. Though some would argue the slow progress of this bill is a bad thing, I think this is a good thing. Because of the scope of this bill, having Americans thoughroughly debate its ideas makes me confident that the end result will not be a hasty compromise but a well thought-out solution.

SadafSiddiqui3 said...

The healthcare bill has caused much controversy and debate since its birth, and frankly, it's for good reason. It's HUGE and will affect nearly everyone. While the people who proposed this had the best interests of the people in mind, they have to really consider every single aspect of every single thing and make sure that there is more benefit than there is harm associated with it. Universal healthcare is an enormous change. While it is true that it has worked for other countries including our neighbor to the north, even if passed, it will be a struggle for it to flourish. Besides, America has always done things a little differently. As one of the Senators pointed out, the idea of the public option goes against the core of beliefs that the US has always implemented, market economy, competition, etc. To vote for that will definitely be a personal struggle. Everyone is unsure. Even the strongest advocates of the bill are praying every night that it doesn't screw up, that things will work out. It's not something that can be experimented with. If the bill passes, the Democrats will either have passed the best or worst policy of their careers. Their names are stamped all over the bill. It comes with a huge responibility. Only time will tell of success or failure.

connor frankhouser 8 said...

I believe the dems should set aside their differences and pass this landmark piece of legislation...
Many European nations as well as Canada have overhauled healthcare systems- it's time we get one as well

aidanhamman3 said...

Its really difficult to rule in a certain direction. Obama is having trouble and thats no surprise. You have to imagine the amendment process will be long and require a lot of patience. This will last far longer then expected. The fact that most of the house is already set on their decision does not help any side at all as far as persuading the others.

Safa Arzaghi 4th Period said...

This healthcare bill seems to be incompassing all the aspects of compromise that the United States government is built on. The parties themselves are having a very large split of people who are for and against this bill. Also, the Senate and the House of Representatives are coming up with very unique forms of the same bill that must eventually be compromised on and conformed into a cohesive bill pleasing to the majority of both House and Senate. This will be quite a piece of legislation when it is actually passed!

Jesse Slay (Alum.) said...

With socialized health care comes unions and when the doctor go on strike people cannot receive health care as easily unless it is life threatening. This has happened in many countries where health care was socialized such as Denmark. I don't want the government telling me whether or not I can have an operation. The choice should be between the patient and the doctor.

Todrick_Gibbs_1st said...

I personally believe that this healthcare issue is very big as far as this bill goes. President obama is face wit big decisions seeing as he did make healthcare a huge concern during the presidential election now that it comes down to it what will he do? Many may invest lots of money but what if those investments are toward the wrong bill and it fails in the end? That's the question that should be answered!