Monday, March 1, 2010
2nd Amendment Incorporation
WASHINGTON (AP) - Gun control advocates think, if not pray, they can win by losing when the Supreme Court decides whether the constitutional right to possess guns serves as a check on state and local regulation of firearms.
The justices will be deciding whether the Second Amendment - like much of the rest of the Bill of Rights - applies to states as well as the federal government. It's widely believed they will say it does.
But even if the court strikes down handgun bans in Chicago and its suburb of Oak Park, Ill., that are at issue in the argument to be heard Tuesday, it could signal that less severe rules or limits on guns are permissible.
The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence is urging the court not to do anything that would prevent state and local governments "from enacting the reasonable laws they desire and need to protect their families and communities from gun violence."
By some estimates, about 90 million people in the U.S. own a total of some 200 million guns.
Roughly 30,000 people in the United States died each year from guns; more than half of them are suicides. An additional 70,000 are wounded.
The new lawsuits were begun almost immediately after the court's blockbuster ruling in 2008 that struck down the District of Columbia's handgun ban. In that case, the court ruled for the first time that individuals have a right keep guns for self-defense and other purposes. Because the nation's capital is a federal enclave, that ruling applied only to federal laws.
The challenges to the Chicago area laws, which are strikingly similar to the Washington law, are part of an aggressive push by gun rights proponents in the courts and state legislatures.
Courts are considering many gun laws following the justice's 2008 decision. Massachusetts' highest state court is examining the validity of a state law requiring gun owners to lock weapons in their homes.
Two federal appeals courts have raised questions about gun possession convictions of people who previously had been convicted of domestic violence misdemeanors. A suit in Washington challenges the capital's ban on carrying loaded guns on public streets.
Lawmakers in several states are pushing for proposals favored by the National Rifle Association and other gun rights groups. The Virginia Legislature is considering repealing a law that limits handgun purchases to one a month. That law was enacted in 1993 because Virginia was the No. 1 supplier of guns used in crimes in other states. A separate proposal in Virginia would allow people with a concealed-weapon permit to take hidden guns into restaurants that sell alcohol, as long as those patrons don't drink.
Chicago is defending its gun laws at the high court. Mayor Richard Daley said a ruling against his city would spawn even more suits nationwide and lead to more gun violence.
"How many more of our citizens must needlessly die because guns are too easily available in our society?" Daley said at a Washington news conference last week that also included the parents of a Chicago teenager who was shot on a bus as he headed home from school.
Annette Nance-Holt said her only child, 16-year-old Blair Holt, shielded his friend when a gang member boarded a bus and began shooting at rival gang members.
"You might ask, 'What good is Chicago's handgun law if so many of our young people are still being shot?'" Nance-Holt said. "All I can say is, imagine how many more would be if the law were not there."
Gun rights advocates say such killings should serve as reminders that handgun bans and other gun laws do nothing to protect people who obey the law.
Indeed, 76-year-old Otis McDonald said he joined the suit in Chicago because he wants a handgun at home to protect himself from gangs.
The thrust of the legal arguments in the case is over how the Supreme Court might apply the Second Amendment to states and cities.
In earlier cases applying parts of the Bill of Rights to the states, the court has done so by using the due process clause of the 14th Amendment, passed in the wake of the Civil War to ensure the rights of newly freed slaves.
The court also has relied on that same clause - "no state shall deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law" - in cases that established a woman's right to an abortion and knocked down state laws against interracial marriage and gay sex.
This is the approach the NRA favors.
But many conservative and legal scholars - as well as the Chicago challengers - want the court to employ another part of the 14th amendment, forbidding a state to make or enforce any law "which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."
They argue this clause was intended as a broad guarantee of the civil rights of the former slaves, but that a Supreme Court decision in 1873 effectively blocked its use.
Breathing new life into the "privileges or immunities" clause might allow for new arguments to shore up other rights, including abortion and property rights, these scholars say.
This approach might enable challenges to arcane state laws that limit economic competition, said Clark M. Neily III of the public interest law firm Institute for Justice. He pointed to a Louisiana law that protects existing florists by requiring a license before someone can arrange or sell flowers. The licensing exam is graded by florists, he noted.
"No reasonable person thinks that law has a legitimate purpose," Neily said. But he said, "Right now, once you get a law like this on the books, it's almost impossible to get rid of."
The case is McDonald v. Chicago, 08-1521.
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I think you should be able to buy a gun for protection and sport. Hunters need guns and they don't hurt anybody on purpose. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight!!! What good is a knife when you get shot in the gut? Gun vs. Gun is fair after all.
I think that states do not have the right to prohibit gun sales. The prohibition by the state of buying guns violates the second amendment. I don't think that prohibiting gun sales cuts down that much on gun violence. The people who are willing to commit gun crimes would still get just as many guns if not more or more dangerous ones.
I believe that people have the right to own a gun. People make the statement saying that,"Guns kill people" when in reality, people kill people, not guns. Even if you tried to take guns off of the market, people who still want them(unlwafully: drug dealers, crminals, etc. ) would still have them, and then what do all of the innocent people do in order to defend themselves. There are still MANY responsible gun owners out there, who use there guns simply out of sport or self defense, and not as a lethal weapon.
I think the article is right. Gun control laws do nothing to help protect the people that follow the laws. criminals and gang members weill still get ahold of guns even if they are illegal just like the get drugs and other stuff. Having laws that limit gun ownership by innocent people is simply sentencing them to deathby some gangster or robbeer.
I love guns. My family owns them and I am a good marksman. But, states need to have this right. It kiils me to admit it, but the federal government shouldn't control this. However they should set up limits and ways to get away wit howning them if you atart a militia.
I think that if the citizens vote on the matter and they feel safer without the presence of guns then the legislation should be allowed to pass. The presence of guns is hardly ever one where good things follow.(excluding sport and protection)
The 2nd amendment reserves the right to keep and bear arms. National law is supreme over state and local laws, therefore the bans in Chicago should be lifted.
Seems to me like any place that has strict gun control also has a ton of violence in the streets. You're more likely to be shot in Washington DC than you are in Iraq! Kinda sad isn't it?
I do think that there should be some kind of limit, I mean come on, who needs an assault rifle in their apartment? It's common sense to keep military grade weapons out of civilian hands. Yes it is awesome that you are packing a M4 with a M203 grenade launcher, but when are you ever going to ever use it? If you are collecting guns then maybe a special permit would do the trick.
I'm all for the 2nd Amendment, and i think that people should be able to have guns they want. But i also think common sense should be used.
Why wouldn't the Court decide that the 2nd Amendment trumps state law? If they didn't, it would completely and utterly conflict with their other decisions to incorporate the Bill of Rights into State law. Any person should have the right to defend themselves against others who wish to do them harm. If there were to be a ban placed on guns, I would feel betrayed by my government. Were guns to be prohibited by law, you cannot honestly tell me that criminals will cease to use them. As long as criminals are armed with handguns, I will have a handgun to protect myself and my family.
If they make the 2nd Amendment a law, then Americans have a legal right to protect themselves with firearms, and not let the criminals be the only ones with guns.
This debate seems like such a fifty-fifty situation. So many are harmed by guns, and yet, guns are good to have on hand for protection. It seems that the Federal government should have power over this authority, considering it does have to do with civil rights. I feel that the purchase of guns should be stricter, and the people should be more aware of those have guns in their possession.
The main interest surrounding this case is not necessarily the actual decision made by the Supreme Court. While the decision will affect every individual in this nation's life, the legal basis of this case, that of the privileges and immunities clause, will be tested for the first time. If this clause is upheld and enforced, the argument can be easily cross-applied to other hot-button issues such as gay and medical rights. The justices of the Court will have to determine what the minimum privilege of the second amendment is, but allow the states to augment their ruling.
I understand peoples wish when they say they want to remove off the streets to create a safer enviroment. But the truth is, whether we make laws that officially ban guns or not, the people who want to own a gun to do harm to others will obtain one no matter what the law says. Personally, i want to the right to own a gun legally so that i may protect myself against those who do not own one legally. I think the real issue should be what guns are ok to have on the streets and what should be issued to profesionals only such as law enforcement and hunters.
I don't feel that there is a good answer to this question. Say bans on hand guns are enforced, then less people will have them, but the ones who really want them can still get them. Say everyone has guns, people will have them for protection, but if a shooter attacks people, how many are going to take out their "protective" guns and kill innocent people while trying to get the shooter. One person can only kill so many, and many others could die in the mix-up of finding that one person. I would lean toward fewer guns on the market if only for the sake of losing a few before a potential mass slaughtering that may ensue.
Do they really think banning guns is going to do much good in the long run. Shooting people when not in self defense is illegal but people still do it, so whats to stop them from commiting one more crime by illegaly carrying a gun. Guns dont force their owners to kill people, they choose that on their own. Take away guns and the number of deaths by knife will increase. People will always find ways to kill eachother, it's a sad but true fact of life.
This is a such a tough decision to make because it is true that no amount of gun laws will stop innocent people from being killed, but also people should have the right to protect themselves. I will leave this to the supreme court.
I think that since 2nd amendment incorporation is the only way we will actually be guaranteed our constitutional rights, then there is no reason to not incorporate it.
The debate over the incorporation of the second amendment is only worsened by the fact that it is based on an already sensitive topic: gun control. The Supreme Court needs to focus only on incorporation. The court should stick to past cases and let the amendment apply to states as well. Towards the end of the article, it says people might allow arguments for other rights such as abortion and property rights. This is the reason why there needs to be one supreme law and not a different law in each state which will eventually lead to unnecessary conflict.
The debate over the incorporation of the second amendment is only worsened by the fact that it is based on an already sensitive topic: gun control. The Supreme Court needs to focus only on incorporation. The court should stick to past cases and let the amendment apply to states as well. Towards the end of the article, it says people might allow arguments for other rights such as abortion and property rights. This is the reason why there needs to be one supreme law and not a different law in each state which will eventually lead to unnecessary conflict.
i think we should be able to buy any type of guns. however chicago should be able to make laws that make it harder to get guns.
Eliminating the use of guns in large cities can't erase the problem completely, but I'm certain that it could mean one less gang fight, or one less murder. Why not try to help the problem, even if it doesn't entirely solve it? Either way lawmakers vote, we're treading on sensitive ground. If they decide to go one way, they need to be consistent with all other cases.
Even though the right to bear arms is given to us in the Constitution, gun violence and gun abuse are wide spread throughout the U.S. It is difficult to decide where the line is to be drawn between self protection and violence. I believe small shop and home owners should be allowed to have guns for safety, however, it would be a difficult task to keep the guns from spreading to other places.
It's a tricky situation. It is true that citizens should be able to have a gun for protection, but there must also be some restriction to prevent the wide use of guns. If the sale of guns were restricted crime may diminish, but the average citizen will have fewer effective means of protection. The decision in this case, I believe, will be an important factor regarding this issue.
Americans have the 'Right To Bear Arms'. That is in The Bill Of Rights. Period. Individuals should be able to own guns for protection and sport. Criminals will continue to get guns for their illegal purposes even if gun laws are strengthened. And as sad as it is, Suicidal people will find other ways to end their lives if guns aren't available. The right to bear arms should continue to be in effect now and in the future.
The right to bear arms is the only constitutional amendment that allows citizens of a country to protect themselves from government military takeover or force. The Supreme Court is going to find the 2nd amendment to be a federal government right. Plus, the fact that most states and cities don't have a problem with the second amendment being adhered to, the Supreme Court won't have any conflict ruling this right to the people and the federal government.
I just want to say, if someone breaks into my house, I will use the gun to protect my family without doubt.
Yes i agree that u should be able to buy a gun but only for two reasons. One for protection, and the other is if your going hunting. As long as its for these two reasons then it should be okay.
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