Nov. 3rd op-ed in the New York Times looks at how the electoral college used to determine the president of the United States disproportionately favors smaller states. For example, 1 electoral vote in Wyoming represents 134,783 voters, while 1 electoral vote in Pennsylvania represents 456,216 votes.
This map shows each state re-sized in proportion to the relative influence of the individual voters who live there. The numbers indicate the total delegates to the Electoral College from each state, and how many eligible voters a single delegate from each state represents.
So what is your opinion on the electoral college? Pros and Cons?
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I think that it may have been needed a long time ago, but now we don't realy need it. for one reason if we do keep it i believe that they should balence out the EC vote out with the popular vote in each state or just count the popular vote. however i think, i am not positive, that if the govt. did go by popular vote then Obama might noght be the president now.
i think they do like that by the population in a state so thats why they probably do it like that
I think this map is very interesting. While states in states like Wyoming, each vote may "count" for more, politicians aren't going to be spending most of their time in a state that only carries 3 electoral votes. Sure, in the small picture it may look like small states are favored in the electoral college as far as the ratio of voters to electoral college votes, but this is evened out by the fact that states like Texas or California (two of the smallest on the map) carry the largest number of electoral votes. Everything seems to even itself out in the end.
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I feel that the electoral college supplies both pros and cons as with any governmental establishment. The pros being that even thought most of the power of the decision is given to the people, sometimes people aren't organized or informed enough so the electoral college sides with it's state and simplifies the playing feild and keeps everything balanced. The cons would be, as you can see in the picture, that it is not always fairly accounted for.
I feel that the electoral college supplies both pros and cons as with any governmental establishment. The pros being that even thought most of the power of the decision is given to the people, sometimes people aren't organized or informed enough so the electoral college sides with it's state and simplifies the playing feild and keeps everything balanced. The cons would be, as you can see in the picture, that it is not always fairly accounted for.
i dont really like the electoral college because a person could have the majority votes in the nation and not become president.
i also think that the bigger states should have a larger say in the next president since we are stuck with the electoral college
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Well this is very interesting if you really wanted to know how it all works when they determine a president. The pros are that it is very organized and well thought out, the cons are that it requires too much numbers to achieve before a candidate is considered for that state which is sometimes not trustworthy.
i think that the electoral college really has very few pros in my opinion while there are many cons. The fact that someone can get more popular votes than someone else really doesn't make any sense. Also if one person wins by not that many popular votes, they can still win a lot more electoral votes than the other candidate. In my opinion, the electoral college should be thrown out. I believe that if more people vote for a person that person should become president.
I think its interesting how all the votes are weighed out...
When i was younger, i thought it was just based on popular vote. I had no clue what electoral college was.
Now that i understand it, i realize just how little i count, but once i can vote, i will try and remember that i must vote, because you never know when it comes down to just one vote...
this is actually really interesting, states like Texas, New York, California etc get a much smaller vote per capita than the small states get. I can kind of understand both sides of the issue, people think there votes are worth less in big states like Texas or California than in small states like Vermont and Wyoming. It is also easy to see how those states might fee cheated by having almost no say in the actual election if it were changed, this is deffenitly not an easy issue to resolve.
The electoral college votes need to be split up into candidates getting a certain number of each states electoral votes based on the percentages of the public that voted for them. This would make the system all though more time consuming, a better example of the American public's views.
I believe that the Electoral College is a quick and efficient way to determine the next president the only problem with quick and efficient technology is that there is always a possibility it won’t get it right. But that is the way the nation handles their elections so I think that that is the way it will be forever. Yes I could see how in some ways it could be unfair but it has only happened twice when the EC beat the popular vote and out of the all the elections we have had that sounds pretty good for me.
The electoral college is a rather interesting system I think, though it does seem to balance out in the end. Sort of.
The only real downside to this system is that a president can be elected simply by more electoral vote rather than popular vote (which actually happened back in the election of 2000).
the thing about the electoral college is, its all weve got. popular vote isn't very accurate and you can't really trust it as a system to base the election on. the college does work in such ways as that they sort of take the majority, then vote in that direction which is like narrowing it down. but it's not always necessarily the POPULAR vote. some states dont have a law stating that the votie has to vote for the majority ruling. so, the electoral college doesn't realy work but it's the best system we have for now.
It is interesting when you see it from this point of view. You see how much your vote "really counted". I think the electoral college vote is fair for the most part because it often does not stray far from the popular vote results, although on a few occasions it has. I think that in order to prevent that there should some sort of mean between the popular and electoral vote. I would see that as the best fit.
i dont really care for the electoral college too much, because its not so fair to the people who vote, there vote may influence the electoral college, but in my opinion it doesnt really matter in the end. The bigger cities that matter most should have a say in the next president.
I personaly don't like the electoral votes because a candidate could have the majority and still not win. The good thing about it is that it is very organized.
i disagree with this.because evereyone is same,no matter where are you or who are you.l think they
need change this policy.This is imblance for everyone." electoral vote in Wyoming represents 134,783 voters, while 1 electoral vote in Pennsylvania represents 456,216 votes."
i think that the electorial college nullifies the vote of minorities in states severely, and often results in unfair outcomes in elections.
i dont think that we need it anymore...it seems like a thing that they needed in the past because the country was much different back then. But now we are industrialized and modern and i dont think it is the best method now. The best way to get the most out of everyones vote and ensure that the people really do get e "voice" is just to go by the popular vote.
the electorial college on small stte really didn't play significant role in the election. Even fought their votes count, certain minority groups, like the native Americans in Oklahoma, can't let their voice to be heard when people in California give their full 50+ electorial votes to Obama.
Well the whole electoral college thing COMPLETELY makes no sense to me in any way!! And that's really not cool how all state's vote's don't count as equal.
I think a lot of people are baffled by the concept of the electoral college because our generation has been taught that every vote matter..albeit- I think we can accuratly blame P. Diddy for some (most) of that. The distinction between a democracy and a republic isn't clearly made in relevance to America as a whole.
I think they need to find a certain number of people that each electoral vote will represent so that way it will all be even and Americans will feel more secure about their vote.
Whoa, Texas is tiny.
I think I brought up the point in your class that the "winner take all" situation of the electoral college didn't make sense to me.
I guess it serves some purpose, but I don't think it does very much good.
I still think it should be that the percentage of the population a party gets, is the percentage of electoral vote the party gets.
I don't know, that makes a lot more sense to me.
The EC is not as useful as it should be. If u live in a Republican state and your Democratic then your vote is useless nearly. That when presidential elections come up they should only do the popular vote. The EC also makes it easier for the counting to run more smoothly.
I think that the EC is really unnecessary because it's mostly based on popular vote anyways. It would be more beneficial to just count popular vote because then it really would be that the favorite candidate wins rather than the one with the most states. I do also think that if it was all based on popular vote that the presidential candidates would have to change their campaigning strategies because they'd have to connect on a more personal level to all the people who would be likely to vote for them. I think now it's like they campaign for states more than they campaign for the people.
This is chart makes an interesting point: why should some states have more electoral votes per hundreds-of-thousands of voters than others. However, these states: Wyoming, Vermont, the District of Columbia all have meager amounts of electoral votes to their name.
I think the electoral college is a pretty fair way of electing a president. However, we should definitely keep up with the amount a state really deserves; some states are faster-growing than others.
this map shows that your vote might not really matter but even though it kinda does show that i think that everyone should vote because you never know when you vote just might count.
It really surprises me how even though less populated states still end up with hundreds of thousands of votes, it is only counted by the electoral college as one or two votes. I honestly don't think that creates a fair balance; the population of a state needs to be taken more seriously. Also the electoral college needs to take ALL votes into consideration, not just the majority of each state.
I don't like the electoral college. I really don't think its a really fare way to find out who our president will be but then again if it wasn't for the electoral college and it was based on a popularity vote then i'm pretty sure obama wouldn't be the president.
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