Wednesday, October 21, 2009

A Private Property Issue?


The morning The Star reported the closure of the popular Halloween destination, city officials called an emergency meeting with building and fire safety officials as well as the project manager of the haunted house.


The city then gave the manager the OK to rebuild the maze.


A popular haunted house in Simi Valley that attracts thousands of children each Halloween has been shut down because the city deemed it an unsafe structure.


Haunted Halls has been operated by Cindy Fike and her family outside their Sebring Street home for the past eight years. But what makes it popular — a covered wooden maze with steel poles, dark and spooky scenes, and volunteers that startle visitors — is the reason it was given a 72-hour notice Friday to be taken down.


Responding to an anonymous complaint, the city said the 1,200-square-foot “amusement building” didn’t have a permit.


Although it is a “great idea,” said Ted Drager, a building official with the city, the structure was a fire hazard.


Fike’s son, Kyle Killips, 37, is the mastermind behind the haunted house — he started it nine years ago with the help of his father.


The scenes — including a mad-scientist lab, a jail cell with anxious prisoners and an alien getting an autopsy — get better every year, Killips said.


After three weeks of building, the haunted house was almost complete when the city told him to dismantle it.


“It’s a real bummer,” he said. “We were going to throw everything at it this year.”
Since his plans have been thwarted, he hopes to revamp Haunted Halls into something else, but needs to find out what the city will allow.


There will be no maze, and it will only be open Halloween night, to coincide with a block party the neighbors are hoping to have, with the city’s permission.


Since it was on private property — his mother’s home — Killips thought it was a “temporary structure,” and not subject to city rules for buildings. The haunted house was always free and open to the public.


Frances Michielson lives across the street, and said the neighborhood was shocked to hear about it closing.


“It’s one of the haunted houses that everyone travels to,” she said.


Two of her children cried when they found out, she said.


Michielson started a petition to have a block party on Halloween night.


With more than 25 signatures, they hope the application will be approved by the Simi Valley Police Department. Early plans include families coming together for a barbecue and renting a bouncy castle for the children, Michielson said.


The haunted house takes about one month to set up, and typically is open for three nights leading up to Oct. 31.


It’s a way to connect with neighbors, Killips said. His favorite part is when he hears children laughing and having a good time.


“I end up giggling like a little kid, too,” he said.


Killips got the inspiration for the maze 10 years ago when he was taking his 8-year-old daughter trick-or-treating. They walked through a neighbor’s garage that was converted into a haunted house.


The next year, the Killipses had their first haunted house, a much more modest version of what it grew to be. Since its humble beginnings, he estimates about 20,000 people have walked through the maze.


It hit him hard when he got the notice to take it down. “I’m a big tough guy,” he said. “But I was having a rough time with it.”


Then when he heard the neighbors were coming together to put on a block party to try to keep some aspect of the haunted house alive, he almost cried.


Drager said it’s unusual to have such a sophisticated haunted house. He said the city would like to work with Killips so that next year, it would be a permitted structure.


Shutting down a haunted house was unfamiliar to code enforcement officials in other cities.


Sue Taylor, Ventura’s code enforcement supervisor, said officials have conducted inspections of haunted houses built in commercial spaces, she said, but not on residential properties.


Mike Hines, a code compliance officer in Thousand Oaks, hadn’t heard of the city shutting down a haunted house.


Killips said he has spent between $15,000 and $20,000 over the years collecting scary, lifelike figures and has added sensors, lights and pneumatic devices to bring the scenes to life.


But he also posted at least 10 fire extinguishers, used lighted exit signs, and had the expertise of an electrical engineer to construct the walls that protect it from the wind and weather.


His family owns Plastic Depot, a custom acrylic fabrication store in Burbank that has connections to the film and TV industry. That’s how Killips, a manager, acquired a realistic side of beef to hang in the haunted butcher shop display.


He said he has tried to switch it up every year.


In whatever scene he creates, he would like to use two popular figures — a ghoul the neighborhood children named George, and Chucky the skeleton, who pops out of a coffin.


“We’re going to have something good,” he said.

24 comments:

Amy said...

I think that the city has the right idea, wanting to keep everyone safe. However, this is private property, not commercial and the city doesn't have the right to tell Mr. Killips that he had to take the maze down within 72 hours. Obviously, Mr. Killips put up safety precautions and it's his own property, so he can run it however he likes. He wasn't even charging people to come in.He was just letting them see his property. A live Christmas tree is also a fire hazard, but the city has no right to tell you to take it down. Maybe the city officials could have advised changes to the maze that would make it safer.

aimeeblake8 said...

I believe that the city should let Killips build the haunted house if he wants to. If it is on his property and not bothering anyone why should it not be okay? It is a sweet thing that he does for the kids and its very cool that he is so attached to it. It should not be closed, and especially if it is not bugging anyone (which it does not seem like it is, considering the neighbors are trying to keep it alive).

phyllisgoode3 said...

So this haunted house sounds really cool. And a lot better than Nightmare on 19th.

I don't think its fair to close it. The house is on private property. And whoever complained is annoying since no one forces you to go through a haunted house!

As for the house not having a permit, the owner doesn't charge people to walk through it. He justs wants people to have fun so that shouldn't be an issue. You don't have to have a permit to throw a halloween party.

As for it being unsafe, the house sounds pretty secure to be. He had fire extinguishers and lighted signs. And he even worked with an engineer to make sure it was safe.

Its safe and on residential property so I don't think its fair to close it down.

HannahBrooks8 said...

That is a little ridiculous to me for the city to tell a family they cannot have a haunted house on their property. The way the city was bringing up firecodes and everthing is silly because they know the family will not have it up all year long. A Haunted House is something everyone can enjoy and as the parent said, it can bring his community together. Isn't that something a city would want? A close community? I think so.

Roman Padilla, 3rd said...

I think the house should have been allowed to stay open. It was private property, so normal building or structure laws should not have applied. thats like saying i need a permit to cut down a tree in my backyard or putting christmas lights in the front lawn. im sure the lights could start a fire easily as the maze or the rest of the haunted house. Also, what is with this neighbor waiting eight years before he or she decided to complain about the haunted house. It was not even making him money, he simply did it for the joy of the kids and whomever chose to go through it. Why did the government not give him a chance to fix it, like replacing the sticker on your car or fixing your house. I know the government has the power to do this, even if it not fair,but the could have had a better way of dealing with it instead of just shutting it down without a chance to be fixed for this years holloween.

Carlos Rangel 4th Period said...

I think the city deeming the Haunted Halls a huge safety hazard was infact the right choice to do no doubt. This awesomely Haunted Halls place sounds amazing, but still it is a fire a hazard and has other threatening aspects to these creative but dangerous activities. The Chucky skeleton springing out of a coffin can easily accidently dissmantle and fling on fire out at the little 9year old hannah montanna! These antics really need to go under inspection by the city and since there was no permit for this Haunted Halls, then the only option for this structure has to be deemed hazardous until permitted by the city. Really this sounds like the craziest ride of a halloween night! But look at the worse case scenario, a couple of kids come and they are freaked out to death but horribly a fire errupts and sadly these kids are stuck inside and are injured or die...If it were the city to permit the Haunting Halls, then the Killips family would be ensured from possible lawsuits. But since the city hadn't permitted this, one of the killips would have to serve possible jailtime and a fine!

Deandra Porter said...

These people got jipped. The city, of course, has to worry about the safety of others but it seems like they were prepared with all their extinguishers and fire exits. This is also private property, the city shouldn't be telling this family what to do with their house.
They've been doing this for years too, so why does it bug people so much this year? Mr. Killips was doing this for free, for fun, and it seems like people were really excited about it, except the person who just had to ruin it for everyone. Perhaps the city could have suggested some other way to make the maze a bit safer rather then destroying the whole thing within 72 hours. I think it's really unfair for them to close this down. It's on private property and there were safety percausions made.

Annie Henderson 3rd Period said...

That sounds like a reaally good haunted house. And its really dumb that the city would just up and shut it down. It was on residential property and they shouldn't be allowed to make him close it. It sounds like he made huge preparations for it, and had everything checked out. Since when can you not build on your own property? And it was temporary. It didn't need to be a long lasting structure. He had a great thing for kids to do on Halloween, and considering how many bad things happen on Halloween, the city should be thanking him for keeping the kids safe. Those poor kids aren't gonna have a happy Halloween now.

HafsaAhmad3rdPeriod said...

I think that it's absurd that the city's only reason to shut it down was that it was unsafe. The owner put in a lot of money and effort to make this attraction both fun and safe. Also, as many people have brought up, it was on private property and he wasn't charging people money to come and see the attraction, so I don't see any problem in keeping the attraction open.

Daniel Berg 4 said...

Obviously it is the city's responsibility to keep the people safe, but this was definitely not a fire hazard, since it apparently had a more than necessary amount of fire extinguishers in the event of a fire, and other safety precautions. He is also experienced in electrical matters, and the maze is only operational for 3 days out of the entire year. It's also not being used for profit, and, while this really shouldn't factor into whether he is allowed to keep it up, a popular attraction with much effort and money being poured into it. Seeing as the main problem the city had with it was that it was a fire hazard, and it doesn't seem to be one at all, the city was wrong to order it taken down.

Also, I just reread the post and noticed the little line where it says that they allowed him to rebuild it. It's a good thing they did, but now he'll have to spend extra time rebuilding what he had already built.

AmyFillipp3 said...

I disagree with the city's decision. If the haunted house has been going strong for eight years, how has this "fire hazard" just been brought to the attention of the city? It has obviously gotten loads of attention since it's start if about 20,000 people have attended, and some officials must have known about it and deemed it fit in the past. I doubt as it continued to grow Killips would make it less reliable safety wise. It makes no sense to force him to dismantle it seeing as how it is 1) his own property and 2) safer than other haunted houses that have been set up in the area. Killips has taken ample precautions to ensure the safety of those who attend. If this is unfit safety wise, then so are about 90% of children's birthday parties. Those get no harassment because they are on private property. This is essentially a giant, yearly, free, safer than usual birthday party for the entire city to attend.

Christopher Casanova 3rd Period said...

I feel that though the city's intentions are good, they really have no right to close down or have any say in the Haunted House on Mr Killips private property. Like he said himself the structure was temporary and the city has no jurisdiction of temporary structures on private property. The code enforcement specialists even sided with him on the issue. It may be a different case if this thing was just thrown together but its seems like its a pretty well thought-out and well planed set up with good safety plans. I mean this guys been doing this for close to a decade, its definitely not his first rodeo. The thing that bugs me is why would the city do this? I almost want to say that they want to make money off of a permit, but that seems absurd.

naomishine3 said...

Though the city's decision was unpopular, I think officials made the right call. I understand that the family and its neighbors are upset and disappointed with the decision but if a fire occurred, the fall out would be terrible. Yes, the chance that a fire would break out is slim but if one did start, the city could be sued. If a child was hurt or killed during the fire, families would place blame on the city for not shutting the attraction down when it had the chance. The city didn't say the haunted house would never work, officials want to work with Killips to create a safer structure. I hope Killips will work with the city because it seems like the haunted house made a lot of kids really happy.

Anonymous said...

Ok, this haunted house has been in operation for eight years, and it's just now being called a fire hazard? That seems a little odd. Plus, most everything can be a fire hazard; the haunted house alone is a type of maze where many people filter in and out, which wouldn't make it easy if they had to all get out of there quickly. The city had no right to tell him to take it down, especially because it is a temporary thing. It was obviously an event that many people looked forward to, seeing as the neighbors children cried after being told that it had to close! The city should either have explained what exactly made it a hazard so changes could be implemented or they should have just left it alone.

EfrainDuarte3 said...

I dont think that it was fair of the city to close this haunted house. It was on property that belonged to them so why not let them keep it, it was doing no harm to others around them. It was not a hazard in any way.

I just find it ridiculous that the city gave them such a small time frame to shut the haunted house down, even though this house brought nothing but joy to the citizens of the community.

Elizabeth Sewell said...

While I love this idea, and think that this is great, I do think that the city had the right idea. I think that as long as Mr. Killips gets a permit, it would be great. If it were just for family, and friends, I would probably be more upset about the city shutting it down, but since so many people attend, it has become more than that. With this haunted house becoming such a great attraction, the city has to protect their citizens.

I understand that Hr. Killips did have his eye out for some possible problems, but sometimes, there are other things that people have to look out for.

Open the Haunted House again, but make sure nothing is going to go wrong.

Isra Bashiti 1st said...

I agree with the city- how they're concerned with everyone's safety. However, they shouldn't make Mr. Killips shut it down. He has fire extinguishers, and emergency exits and stuff like that so i think that takes care of any emergency problems or safety problems. It's private property. And I don't think hes trying to harm anyone at all. And there's also other haunted places that are the same as the house if not worse also, that maybe didn't get shut down. So, the city has a point to keep everyone safe, but they don't have to shut it down to get the point across, they can tell Mr. Killips to make the place safer and also what he has to do to do that. He payed alot of money for that house, so I don't think thats fair for the city to make him take it down within 72 hours. He just wants people to have a good time and enjoy their time at the maze, and all the neighbors like it.

victoriaochoa8 said...

I don't think that the city should have made Mr. Killips take down his haunted house. If some f the city officals needed him to get a permit they could have told him that he had 72 hours to get a permit insted of telling him that he needed to take down the structure. He was being safe and it was on his own property and it wasn't bothering anyone so i don't see why the city would make him take it down.

Pooja Patel 3rd said...

It's understandable for the city to be worried, and wanting everyone to be safe, but it is private property. It is his house,and he owns it. He even worked with an engineer to make sure its safe and ok for all his visitors to walk through. He put up bright exit signs, made sure the walls are stable and placed 10 fire extinguishers in the house. It's free for anyone who wants to come, and is only open 3 days every year. No one has ever complained about it before, people actually enjoy it, and its a time for the neighbors to get together. I think it's unfair because he's spent so much time and put so much effort into the maize and he's been doing it for the past 10 years, then all of a sudden they, the city, make him take it down. i don't think they even have a good enough reason.

CatWu said...

Mr. Killips has the right to have his maze. He's got all the safety equipment and stuff..including fire extinguishers and lighted Exit signs. And an engineer helped design it .It was unreasonable that the city gave him 72 hrs to take it down. And it was part of the community. Its like the Nightmare on 19th. He wasnt charging anyone to enter, and volunteers could go and volunteer to have fun on Halloween night. If it were in Lubbock, i'd totally be there instead of Nightmare on 19th and pay $20 just to get scared.

kaileeking3 said...

This is bonk. Killips has gone through laborious efforts to provide a fun festivity for the public to enjoy. It would be understandable to close the structure if it was occupying public property, but this is within Killips private estate. Mr. Killips has done his research and has made thorough safety precautions in order for the event to run smoothly. The law should seriously reconsider their decision of completely shutting down the bonanza. Instead they should supply further safety suggestions if they truly feel that the set up is a hazard.

Isaac Cortez 8th said...

The haunted house was on private property so really Mr. Killips can do whatever wants to do as long it was not illegal. The city has no right to say what goes on the private property of Mr. killeps. For the years before, the haunted house had not hurt anyone. And also for years more and more people kept going to the haunted house so it was a trustworthy and famous structure. The fact that he didnt charge for entrance kind of keeps you wondering why he needs a permit. He want trying to make profit, all he was trying to do was bring the community together.

Rebecca*Cox*4 said...

I believe that the city has a point, but its also the people against the city. They have to look at what the people are gonig to want, especially if it doesnt cost the city a thing! This would be a great idea. Mr.Killps knew what he was doing and it wasn't a big deal because people loved it. Obviously people have been very safe in it because this isn't the first time they have had the haunted house. If it hasn't been a big deal in the past years, then why is it now?

8amarisgarcia said...

this is so dumb i mean its like a tradition now so come on...blechkkkkkkkkkkk...look at the corn maze...nnightmare on 19th...and the haunted forest i mean these r things that make halloween funnnnnnn...plus i mean in tht case theyyy need to go to all the hiouses with haunted stuff b/c every year wen i went trcik or treatiun on 19 ths one house always had a creepy hauntedd house.......theyy should have been able to keep it open =/